- Hey there. Welcome to Geek this. My
name is Dave Clements. And with me as always is my
best bud. Mr. David Hunt. - Hello everyone. Welcome back to Geek. This, we've missed you. - Yeah, we have, um,
- And you, and you and you - All, all of you,
- All you - Listeners in that
one room in the closet. - Oh, why, why are they in the closet? - It's the only way I can get
people to listen to this show. I think. I mean, you had to convince your wife to listen to it. Good grief. What kind of show is this? - Hey, I didn't even have to convince her. She, she just did it because she loves me. - Aw, that's cute. - At least that's what
I like to tell myself. - I'll believe it with you. Ah,
well, today on the show, uh, we are gonna be covering the
first half of Loki season two. That's episodes one, two, and three. Uh, we're not gonna do a deep
dive, we're going to just kind of have a conversation about it. Uh, I don't know that we can really do a spoiler free section at this point. 'cause you would've had
to at least seen all of season one. And - We already talked about season one. - Yeah, we've already done that. So go back and listen to that. And, uh, yeah, we'll just go ahead and start off the show like
we've been starting it off with. What have you been geeking
out about over the last week since we've recorded? - Well, Dave, um, the
biggest thing for me is, uh, this past week, the new
Marvel Spider-Man two came out for the PlayStation five. - I'm not jealous.
- Well, you, you should be because it's, it's great. Um, I'm not gonna say a whole
lot about it, uh, this time. 'cause I think we're going to
do an episode just on that. And you played the first
one, didn't you, Dave? - I did. I loved it.
- Yeah. So, um, yeah, we'll have
an episode on the Games, um, in the near future. Uh, but yeah, I've been
really enjoying it. I think they improved on many aspects of the first game and Nice. I'm looking forward to
seeing where the story goes, but that's all I have to say about that. - Good. Yeah, I've, I've seen some pretty positive things online. I've tried to shield my
eyes as much as possible and it doesn't really make a lot of sense. 'cause I probably won't play that game until like the PSS six comes out because it's kind of the way
that I played the last one, PSS four was on its way out, and I got one and got Spider-Man. So it'll be the same
way with Spider-Man two, I haven't even played
Miles Morales yet, so. - Oh, well you gotta play that. - I know
- You still have your PlayStation four. - I do. I do.
- What about you, Dave? What have you been geeking this week? - Uh, I feel like, I've
already said this before, but I have been playing
a lot of Pokemon Scarlet, but I've also been watching
a lot of YouTube videos, um, about fake on, uh, which I don't know, I find - It. What is, what is fak? - You've never heard of this before? - No.
- Okay. So, uh, essentially they're
just made up Pokemon. So you have these very creative people who will actually sit down and
create their own Pokemon regions and fill it with their own Pokemon. And it's usually themed. I've watched a lot of videos lately. Um, one, one that stands out
right now is they had one that was, the whole
region was based off of, um, Greek mythology. - That's really unique.
- So yeah. So they've got, like, there's new Pokemon that they've created that
that's the fake kind of thing. Uh, but then they also do like regional variants and things like that. So, uh, you know, you have, well actually I just saw some
artwork for one that was, um, Pokemon Timber. They, they remade him so that
he was like Roman looking and he had like a discus, so it's like a different themed
version of these different, you know, regional variant Pokemon. So, aside from playing Scarlett, I've really been watching
a lot of these videos and I don't know, it's, it does
something with me creatively to watch people sit here
and draw these things, or just give these big deep backstories on their world that they're making. I love world building. I just don't have a lot of
time to put into it. So I - Watch other people do. I say, have you made, have you made any of your own? Uh, thinking on, - I actually, so I thought about it. I spent probably two hours one day ideating on something
I could come up with. I think if I hung out with more people that were like super geeky about Pokemon and stuff, we could come
up with a whole fake region and a bunch of new Pokemon. But yeah, that's, that's what
I've been geeking out about. - Well, on that note, uh,
I think it's time for our, uh, main topic. - Yeah.
- This is our main topic. Where to start - Episode one. Probably. Good. - That's probably because you
don't wanna work backwards. - I mean, we could, everything is pretty. Uh, I mean, we're bending
time ending in this show. - Yeah. It is very timey windy. Uh, especially that first
episode had a lot of Mm-Hmm. . Like, I
don't watch Dr. Who Yeah. But watching this episode,
it made me think of what Dr. Who would be like - . Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't think I've ever
watched an episode either. Uh, with Loki. Season one is, it's not so
much time, it's more just like introducing us to the
concept of multiverse. But season two is very much
about jumping around in time, uh, because essentially
they're trying to track down Sylvie, first of all, and they're trying to track down ki who remains. So yeah, we're like
jumping all over the place - So far. You know, episode one I
was really, really high on. I thought it was great. - Mm-Hmm. ,
- You know, when when I got done with episode one, I was like,
okay, like Marvel's back, like we're, yeah, because, um, I don't know how about you, but, uh, the MCU
especially, like the shows have really been kind
of struggling for me. - Yeah. I enjoyed She Hulk and I, Ms. Marvel was okay, but I
could not get through - Secret Invasion. - Yeah. I, I just, I couldn't, - You just didn't care
because like, that's how I felt watching it. I was like halfway through, I was like, why does this matter? Like I, - Yeah. - You've taken these,
you've taken this character of Nick Fury that I at one
point thought fondly of Mm-Hmm. and you've made
him kind of boring. Yeah. - I mean, I, I don't
even really have anything to say about Secret Invasion. I was excited for it. And then I think I watched
like the first two episodes and I was like, me, I,
I don't, don't care. - , it didn't get much better. So you didn't miss a whole lot. - That was good.
- If I were you, I'd go on YouTube and watch like a, a
brief plot summary of it because, um, in, uh,
the Marvels, you know, Nick Fury's gonna be in it. So what happens to him in that
show might come back to it. Or they might just be like, eh, nevermind. - Right. Psyche didn't really happen, you know, because of Loki. But yeah, I mean, I would agree with you. Um, I, because Loki
season one was so good, I was excited when season two started and that first episode ended. I actually, I think I've watched it three times, not so much. Oh wow. Because it was good, but more because I was really trying to understand where are we going with this season? Mm-Hmm.
what exactly is happening. But we're introduced to some, like, familiar characters from last season. But I think everybody's
favorite character has to be ob. Uh, because why not? - Yeah. Obie is fantastic. Yeah. I think he's my new
favorite character for sure. - For those of you who just don't care, but you just want to
, listen to us talk. Um, Obie is Aura Boris, who is played by KeHE Kwan. I am not saying his name
correctly. I know that. Um, but you would know him from, um, everything, everything. Everywhere. Once, once,
uh, Indian Goonies Dunes, the Goonies, um, he's actually, so just total side tangent here. Um, so he was in like those
movies in the eighties. And then, uh, he took a break from acting and actually became a stunt coordinator. He worked with Jackie Chan. Um, so that's kind of what he's been doing in the background. And then he kind of comes
back out into the acting world prominently in everything
everywhere all at once, which is a wonderful movie that we'll have to talk about at some point on the show. Uh, but he gets a, a, a key
role in low key Season two and he's just like one of
the most endearing guys. And it's like, for me, it's like watching a grownup
data from Goonies. Yeah. - That's definitely how it feels. - I don't what's his official job? Do they, I'm sure they say it. - You know, he, they stick
him in a, like in a basement and nobody visits it. He says he hasn't had a visitor
in like hundreds of years. - Right.
- But he's still so like, happy. Do we wanna get into some
like, theories right now? Sure. - Let's do it. Why
- Not? Okay. Um, so with his name, I have a feeling that,
uh, he's actually a, a much bigger part of
the TVU than we realize. Mm-Hmm.
because he wrote out the guidebook that's in the show. Mm-Hmm. . And
in episode three we see the guidebook being passed to a variant of he who remains. I have a feeling that this
variant, uh, timely is going to actually become he who remains. Right. So, in a way, he actually created Ki Hu Remains who created the TVU. So he in a sense, is
the creator of the TVU. - That makes sense. Uh, because an Aura Boris is
a snake eating its own tail. It's just, it's a symbolism
of like this infinite loop and it's very like on the nose Mm-Hmm. as far as a name goes. But yeah, especially in like,
I think it's episodes two and three, they really make a big deal about, have you read the book? Have you read the book? Have
you read the book in that kind of thing. And, um, I'm with you. He, he's, he's more than just
a little bit of comic relief or a background character. Like he is a key character this season and I'm not quite sure
where it's gonna go. Um, I've heard people think that maybe he is some
kind of king variant, but - I don't, it's hard to
- Say. I - Don't think so, but I, who knows? - I wouldn't think so either. Um, I do have a theory I'm
gonna throw out at the end of the episode, so try and
remind me of that . But yeah, Obie is great and Moby is, and Loki go to him because they're looking for
a specific piece of tech. And there's this really cool
scene in that first episode where like Loki's, um, doing
what they call time slipping, he's jumping from time to time. So that's a, a big reason why I had to watch it multiple times. 'cause I'm like, okay,
where is he now? ? Like, is he in the past?
Is he in the present? Is he in the future? Like,
where, where are we at here? But there's a cool moment
where Loki time slips into B'S little Den, and this is
after they've already met him and B's meeting Loki for the first time. And essentially like,
it's this weird, you know, time kind of thing where - He's like changing
the future from the past and you can like watch it in real time. - Yeah. Thank you. I couldn't think of a
good way to explain that, but that's exactly what it is. And it's super clever. And
again, it's one of those like, ah, this feels like
the MCU that I've known and loved for the last
11, 12 years, you know, or actually longer than that,
I guess it'd be 15 years. Holy cow. But yeah, like
just some really, really cool cool bits there with ob. And I don't want to like
hang on him for too long. Um, but Ren Slayer is, uh, well, miss minutes is missing
and we find out that her and Ren Slayer are supposedly doing Kang's bidding to kind of get he who remains back into the loop. They're just trying to
close that loop. Right? - That's, that's how I've
gathered from it in the latest episode, episode three,
they go to the past and like the sacred
timeline to deliver the book to AK variant victor, timely. And then by delivering
the TBU guidebook to him, they create a branch. - Mm-Hmm. .
- And in that branch, I think, uh, that's cr making this variant. He who remains. And it's, uh, Sylvie actually makes a
good point in that episode. Like, if you had just left
him alone, he would've, he would've just lived out a normal life. He would've been harmless, but because he had been interfered
with, that's why she wanted to kill him because she
didn't want him becoming he or remains in the loop starting over. - Right. Like I said, like
there's a lot of, like, time, time is always a, a weird thing. And I know this from the d and d campaign, I was just in
like, there's a lot of like, time will mess with your brain
when, especially when shows and things like that start
to manipulate the perception of time or things like that. So, uh, it's definitely like I have to watch the episodes a couple times to really get a good
grasp of what's going on. Yeah. So like episode one
kind of establishes this is what we're doing for season two. Um, episode two really just fills in some of the missing pieces,
shows us where Sylvie is, and she's trying to live out her existence at a McDonald's
in like, what, 1970s? - Either seventies or eighties. It's like definitely like old
school McDonald's with like, whenever the, uh,
chicken McNuggets debuted because he says when she's
like asking about what's on the menu, he says, oh, you
could try our brand new Chicken McNuggets. - Yeah. Yep. But yeah, she's,
she's definitely wanting to live her own life and ends up getting involved in this hunt for he who remains. And then like the third episode,
um, I, I can't really think of anything like significant
from the second episode. I'm sure there was something, but the third episode is
probably my favorite episode so far, just because I, it feels a little, little bit like quantum leap
jumping from time to time. Uh, I'm kind of hoping that
that's kind of the trend that we're just, you know,
on almost like a time hunt, you know, that we get to
see multiple, you know, other decades or centuries
or something like that. Uh, and, and follow Ren
Slayer and Miss Minutes. And he who remains hang throughout the rest of the series. We do, we do find out
that, well, it's hinted at that maybe Miss Minutes is
more than meets the eye. Like she's ai, but she's
incredibly intelligent. She knows a lot. And at the end of the
episode, they actually say, or she says that she knows
some big secrets about Kang, or was she saying she knows big secrets about Ren Slayer? - I think both.
- Okay. - She says that she's
the sentient meeting. So like she has feelings and thoughts just like anybody else does. And she's, she's in love with
Kang, she's in love with, he remains, which is kind of kind of scary when you think about it. Like, is this where the
future of AI is going? Yeah. - So, so there's that. But then there's also,
like, she's existed since before Ren Slayer. Um, nobody else has talked to
her in this series, really. So it's like, you have to wonder, did he, who remains put someone he loved or worked closely with, I is that who Miss Minutes really is, is that how she knows all of this stuff? I've also heard, and I feel
like they're alluding to this, that Ren Slayer is a Kang variant. She just doesn't know. - I've heard that theory
and I, I actually, I like that theory. Yeah. It would make sense
why she's like so important. And it would also kind of mirror, uh, Loki and Sylvie with Sylvie being
a female variant of Loki. - Right.
- Well, I I will say Dave, like I I know you said the
third episode is your favorite. I'm actually going the other direction, or like, not that I dislike the show, but I do feel like as episodes
go on, like there are parts of it that I'm enjoying. Okay. But - It, - Knowing that we're,
we're already halfway through this season and it kind of feels like
it's kind of dragging. Like they're kind of spinning
their wheels a little bit. Okay. Like, okay, like
the TV's in trouble. We have this giant, I forget
what they call it, the - Loom. - The Loom, yeah. Yeah.
- That's a big thing. - We're going to destroy the TVU and like, we're trying to fix that and okay, well we gotta fix that. Oh, now we gotta find Sylvie. Oh, now we gotta find
the, the Kang variant. And it just, it feels like from
the start to now, we haven't advanced very much so, like,
they, they just have a lot to cram into these last few episodes. - Yeah, I can see that. Although, see, I kind of felt
that way about season one. The end was there before you realized it, and it wasn't until you went back and kinda rewatched things
that it all fell into place and you're like, oh, okay. I think the thing like this is the good and the bad with Disney plus
shows is they're very much filler for the movies. Um, especially with Loki, because a lot of what
happens in Quantum mania and stuff, it, it's tied
into Loki very much. It's integral. And so I feel like this is
exactly what's gonna happen with season two, where it's going to tie into maybe not the Marvels, but you know, whatever comes after that. I don't know. I feel like it, we are gonna hit that final episode real hard, but it's gonna be one of those
things where the MCU kind of hinges on this final episode. Does that make sense? Yeah. - And, and it's kind of
what they've always done with MCU shows. Like, like with W Avi Mm-Hmm. , they had the
entire thing written except for like the last episode, right. And the last episode they had
to like completely write, so that way it could tie into
the future of the MC mm-Hmm. . But I don't
know if you kept up on the like MCU news at all, but, um, they recently scrapped everything they
had done for Daredevil. - I did hear this
- Because they are, uh, Disney's going to start actually making like TV shows the way TV show
shows are supposed to be made. So, like before, they've
pretty much been making their, their shows like long form movies Mm-Hmm. and not making
them with like a showrunner and a show Bible and things like that, that you would normally
have for a TV show. So going forward, that's
how they're, they're going to start making their shows just like TV's always been made before. Hmm. So hopefully that will improve the quality of some of these things. Not, there haven't been
very many Marvel shows that I absolutely hated. Um, yeah. But you can't say
that the quality has been great. So I'm hoping that going forward
that this will help improve that so that way the TV
shows feel more like TV shows and not just, you know, six
hour movies stretched out. - I'm, I'm hoping for that as well, because while I love things
being interconnected, it, it becomes taxing as a fan. Well, - And with all the interconnectivity, we, we talked a little bit about
this, um, earlier in the day. The, the Marvels is about
to come out and it's Yes. Uh, quantum Mania had Kang in it, so it kind of tied in with Loki Mm-Hmm. . But you could
watch Antman in the was Quantum Mania and not watch any of Loki and be perfectly fine. - That's true.
- But with that's true. But with the Marvels, uh, this
will be the first MCU movie that really hinges on people
having watched the, the shows. If you watch this movie and you haven't watched, uh, wand Vission, you haven't watched Miss Marvel, then you're gonna be
going into this movie. Like, who are these characters?
Mm-Hmm. . And like, why should I care about them? So I know we're kind of
getting off of the Loki topic and more into like an MCU
grand scale topic, but, - But hey, that's the way the
MCU works. Dang it. . Uh, - I know that a lot of like,
uh, streamers, they got, a lot of people got like the
first four episodes Mm-Hmm. Um, like the media people and some of those reviews
weren't quite so great. Um, And giving four of your six episodes, like that's a lot of episodes to give out. So like Yeah. Uh, I'm,
I'm really curious to see what, you know, next
week's episode looks like, or I guess next week as
in like tomorrow for us. Yes. . But, um, and then the last two episodes, I think those are gonna be huge episodes and I'm really looking forward to it now. I I think it's going to have
a lot to do with the future of EMCU because Mm-Hmm. we're, we're getting closer and closer to Kang Dynasty, but even though it's like
still years away at this point. Yeah. But, you know, with
Kang being such a major part of this, you know, he's part
of the whole show, whereas before, you know, we got
him in that last episode. - Yeah.
- Now we know from the get go. Okay. This is, this is a Kang show. Yep. So I feel like it has
a lot more weighing on it for the future. - Yeah. And I think, you know,
just from this last episode, like they mentioned several times that technology hadn't
caught up to Victor timely. So he couldn't do the things, things that were in the TVA a book. And I think that that's a key piece here, because where we end episode
three is essentially Kang and Ms Minutes kicking
Ren Slayer off on her own because Timely doesn't have partners. I feel like having timely and missed minutes together is
going to, it's probably going to speed up his journey into becoming he who remains. So I feel like that
could be a shortcut, um, to the end game, no pun intended. Uh, but that's, that's just a thought. - I'm also, I'm looking forward
to looping back around to, um, in the first episode, the,
where he's like going back and forth in between
time when he goes Mm-Hmm. Into the future. I'm looking forward to seeing the other end of that. - Yeah.
- And it, it, I think it's probably
like almost guaranteed that when Loki gets pruned, I think it's Loki pruning himself. - Oh yeah.
- You know, to send him back, to start the whole process over to like,
like the future version of Loki pruning the past
version of Loki to send him back to save himself. - Yeah. That's a good theory - When Sylvie comes outta the elevator and says, there you are. It makes me wonder if
they were like, looking for the past Loki, like knowing
he was going to be there. - Oh, okay. Huh. Now I gotta
watch it all over again. . So I have a, a weird theory I want to end
the episode with, I read this , um, - Is it about the, the guy
from McDonald's being Mobius? - No, but I have heard that. I don't know about you, but
I don't care who Mobius is. I'm just cool with him being Owen Wilson. - I just like, I just
want him to, I want him to get his jet ski.
That's all I care about. - Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true. They gotta pay that off
by the end of the season. Um, so no, I read this theory and I will link it in the show notes, but it made some pretty crazy good sense, but it seems really farfetched. So long story short, this uh, writer, I believe it was Polygon, uh, yes. It was an article from Polygon titled, I'm Convinced I have Figured
Out Marvel's Big King Secret. And, uh, long story short,
is the writer of this article connected some dots. Whether they're right
or wrong, we don't know. We won't find out for a while, but he thinks, they think, I don't remember if it was
a guy or a girl, whatever. Um, they think that we
are going to find out that Kang is actually Reed Richards, that Jonathan
Majors has actually been playing Reed Richards the whole time. Because there are a lot
of parallels between some of the things that he, who
remains has said compared to things that Reed Richards
has said in comic books. And he, he points all of
it out in the article. But, you know, of course
everybody's like, oh, well John Kozinski was Reed in Dr. Strange, there's no way. But we've seen that, you
know, like, take Spider-Man. Not all variants look the same. So I don't know, it's a really good
article, read through it. I would love to have feedback on it. Uh, but I think it's kind of cool and I'd be okay if that was the case. - I don't know about that
because like he, you know, a, a key part of Reed
Richards is like, he is Mr. Fantastic. So he has Mm-Hmm. , you know,
the stretchy powers. Right. And we haven't seen any
of that now in the comics. Kang is, you know, a descendant
of Reed Richards Mm-Hmm. . He is,
uh, Nathaniel Richards, I, I think that's his name. - Yeah. I don't remember. It's
been a very, very long time. since I've read
anything like that. - Anyway, he is a, he is a
descendant of Reed Richards. Um, I could see if he is
playing Nathaniel Richards - Mm-Hmm. , - You know, and he's
using his ancestor as like a guide for, you know, different things. - Mm-Hmm. - .
I haven't read the article, so I'll have to go
through and read it, but - Yeah, I would, I would
love your take on it. - Yeah. I'm more like the
idea of him being a descendant and not just like, oh, here's Kang, but he's also your Reed Richards. Yeah. It would be a different
twist, but I'm not Yeah. Sold that I would like that. - I mean, I, I I - Would like, I don't
want John Kozinski either. - You don't, you don't want
John Kozinski as Reed Richards. - No. I thought it was a, a fun like Easter egg cameo, you know, to kind of throw a bone at the fans. But, um, yeah, I don't know. He's a, he's a little old to be playing Reid Richards
at this point for me. 'cause I think, you know,
if the MCU is going to to be sustainable Mm-Hmm. they need to
have a younger cast to help push them into the future. - Okay. Um hmm. - But if they do, if they go
straightforward, like, okay, this is a variant from
a another dimension, and that's how we get the Fantastic Four, since we've never heard the Fantastic four in this world before. Right. Um, then they could go
straight for, you know, the, the Fantastic Four has been a team already for this many years,
so he's like the father and they already have
their kids, you know? Yeah. If they go that route and jump straight into that instead of doing like a whole origin and all that. - Yeah. I mean, it's, it's
hard to say what they'll do. I think Kevin Vigee did say that. Now technically all of the
Marvel movies are Canon because of the whole multiverse thing. So I don't know. I don't
know. We'll find out. I thought that was an interesting theory and I wanted to throw it at you - Side note, but since we're
talking about the Multiverses - Mm-Hmm. , - Do you think, and I, I
think that this would be cool. Do you think that they'll
bring in, um, Chris Evans as the Human torch for
like the Secret Wars movie? - Oh, that would be so cool. - Yeah. I think if they don't,
it's a missed opportunity. - I feel like Secret Wars is going to be like the most expensive
Marvel movie ever. I - Just hope by then people still care. Yeah. 'cause you can just
kind of, the excitement for the MCU isn't where it once was. - No, no.
- You know, people still go to the movies and they still make a
good amount of money. Um, but I think it's because people have just gotten into the habit of, oh, there's a new MCU movie
coming out, gonna go see it. And not necessarily because,
oh, I can't wait to see what happens next. - Mm-Hmm. .
- So, I don't know how many movies there are between now and the next Avengers movie, but I'm just, I'm worried
that what little steam that there still is, if
they don't turn something around soon, um, people
just aren't gonna care. I'm like, okay, it's an Avengers movie, but I hope I'm wrong. - I hope you're wrong too.
But I would not be surprised. With all that said, thank you guys so much for listening to the show. And, um, yeah, we're, I'm gonna say this for the next several episodes 'cause it still doesn't feel real. The show's back. We're doing
it and we want your feedback. Um, thank you to Ben Avery who has been like blasting the internet but telling people, Hey,
these guys are back guys. You gotta go listen to
these guys. Guys. Okay guys. So, uh, yeah, thanks again for listening. We will talk to you guys very soon and, uh, I have lost my tagline for the - Show. - Bye, Craig.