Welcome to episode 398 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded live on 03/25/2025. This is a show about Microsoft three sixty five in Azure from the perspective of IT pros and end users, where we discuss the topic or recent news and how it relates to you. This week, Ben and Scott are both out at the annual MVP summit. And while we can't talk about what we're learning out here, we can talk to other MVPs that are out here with us. So, for this episode, Ben sits down with Harm at Feinstra for a chat. They discuss everything from Harm's experience becoming an MVP to what he's been doing with PowerShell, as well as his work around Microsoft Intune, and how he even uses PowerShell with some of the Intune and other Microsoft three sixty five work that he does. So we're here, MVP summit. Scott and I are actually both out here. We do a few interviews. So Scott's somewhere off gallivanting around with other people, but Harm, you ran into Scott yesterday. Yes, sir. Right? You run a product round table, you were talking with him, and we're like, hey, we should do a podcast interview with Harm while you're here. So Yep. We're sitting down here in one of the buildings at Microsoft and you wanna introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about who you are. Yes. Who is Harm? Who who is Harm? My name is Harm Feynstra, typical Dutch name. I'm a partial MVP since last year. That's the reason why I'm here, my first annual MVP Summit. Congratulations on your first one. Oh, it's been it's it's been a while. It it was not easy getting there, but Yeah. And, in my normal day to day thing, I'm an IT consultant. I work for Next, which is a company in The Netherlands, and we do IT things for larger companies in The Netherlands. Mostly government, hospitals, industry, those kind of things. Okay. Companies that move slow and you have lots of red tape to cut through and Yes. But you also get very interesting things. So, yeah, so again, congratulations on MVP. It'll be We'll talk a little bit more about that, but how's the summit been so far? We're like, I mean technically it's kind of the first day and we can't talk a whole lot about our experience Is that just no content? No. Right. Yeah. No content, but have you been enjoying it so far? Yes. Besides all the sessions that I attended so far, getting to know and see the actual people that you only know online here is great. The community is great. Yep. Right. And that's always the part like this and all the conferences. Like, people are like, well, it's virtual. I can see all the sessions. And it's like It's not the same. I I did that last year because I was, I became an MVP in March. Okay. And I just missed the MVP summit because of that. And I attended a few sessions. Firstly, it's not the same. You don't get to feel from the room. You don't talk to people. You don't have the hallway talks. Yeah. The hallway talks are, like, same thing yesterday. There were some sessions I was gonna go, so we sat down at a table and started talking to some people, and, like, three hours later, we're still sitting at the table. And that's just stuff you don't get in virtual, whether it's this or I would say even conferences. Like, as conferences start coming back, whether it's Ignite, I'm assuming same thing in The Netherlands. Some of the in person stuff has started to be open. Meetup with fans, so yes. Yeah. So what was your experience? Like, this is always an interesting thing in talking to different MVPs is that experience to becoming an MVP. And I know talking to people that aren't MVPs, they sometimes have that question as, what does that path look like? Everybody, I feel like it's been a little different in how they got there, what that process was. So what has that kind of been like going from moving into becoming an MVP? Well, first, you have to really know what it takes to become an MVP. You really gotta put yourself out there. You have to do your community work. You you don't necessarily need to speak at events. That's the thing that hold held me back because, well, I must be a speaker. Otherwise, I won't become an amputee. That's not true. I do a lot for the community, and that's enough for becoming an amputee. You still need to be like somebody like a Microsoft full time employee or another MVP has to, try to make you one. Yep. Yep. Fill up that nomination. The the nomination part. Well yep. But when that's I think it took, like, six months for me to become an MVP because the MVP program changed during during last September, October last year, and it took like six months. So yeah. Got it. Every email that you receive from Microsoft, you think, this is the moment that they'll tell me that my name's been and and no, it's just another status update. It'll take some longer. We're still working on it. Yeah. It'll be Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting that you bring up the speaker because it is. Like, you and I were actually talking. We had lunch together too, and we're hanging out, and we both, like, do Facebook groups that have a bunch of people in it moderate that, and I know you moderate some other communities where it's not necessarily speaking. That's one avenue, but it can be something like a Facebook group or moderating a community on another website or doing podcasts. You can contribute in so many ways. Yeah. Blogs. I noticed your blog. I went and checked out your blog too, and I'm like, he does way better at writing articles on his blog than I do. My last blog post was like a year ago. Yeah. And I think that's another one is people are MVPs are like, oh, I had a blog all the time. I haven't blogged in like a year, a year and a half. Yeah. Because I do the podcast and I do other community stuff. So So so you have that, but I have my, like, weekly blog. And it sometimes it's difficult. You have to have new subjects every week. Yep. But you get good at it. Does AI help you come up with subjects and insight? No. No. It can help with them all. Yeah. And it it it's all based on things that I see at my customers' locations, things that I automate at home. Yeah. Those are my topics. Yeah. Okay. Real life. Yeah. So why PowerShell? Like, that's an interesting category, and we we were talking a little bit about that too. But how do you, I guess, why PowerShell MVP? And then we can even talk about how you got into PowerShell too. So Yeah. That's one thing we both like and I think we both do different things with it. Yeah. But You can use PowerShell basically for any Microsoft product because it's almost, like, mandatory that you have to have some PowerShell Some different architecture. With it. I think it started with batch DOS batch CMD scripting. Okay. I even skipped the whole VBS part. But, yes, because you need automation. As an IT admin, you need automation, and I don't like clicking stuff, being a click ops kind of guy. So you automate things in. Oh, we have people waving at us. Yeah. More friends. Right? More more people from The Netherlands. Yes. But you start to automate, like, everything because, as as a good admin, you're a lazy admin. You automate Right. You know. There's even that website, like, to go to the lazyadminYeah..com website for Yeah. Yeah, for PowerShell scripts. Yeah. But yes. So so that's where everything started, I guess, because I really like automating stuff being this smarter, more efficient at end. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's the thing that really drove me to PowerShell1.zero, if you can even call it that because that's that's that's Monet. That's the project name back then. That's that's been a while. I think I did that because was so I'm gonna go back and we'll talk about, like, when you started writing PowerShell. Was that, like, 02/2006? Two thousand '6? Yeah. Sometime in there. Yep. Okay. So how did you start writing PowerShell then? What moved you from because before that it was like command line, right? Yep. Right? You did this stuff. You're just calling executables. Yeah. Batch scripts. Yep. Or not the batch, batch files. Right? Yep. Yeah. So how do what caused you to kinda transition into PowerShell? What drew you to PowerShell? Because I tried automating analyzing logs using batch scripting, and it took, like, weeks of getting the right formats. And I tried it in PowerShell even with the early versions, and I was done in fifteen minutes. Okay. So, yeah, I really saw the power of it straight away. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. I started so I came SharePoint background. Yep. And that's where I was going in my head when I was thinking about PowerShell one was Yep. PowerShell '2 thousand seven, which beta started coming out 02/2005, '2 thousand '6, had STS ADM. It was their whole command line interface. Yep. And I started writing PowerShell scripts to wrap around the command line interface so that I could put, like, command line interface commands to go work with different SharePoint sites in a loop because writing a loop in PowerShell was way easier than Yeah. So so you've been doing PowerShell for quite a while then. Yeah. How have you seen that change over time? Like, how have you gotten excited about it? We're talking about one. Today, we're at version seven. Version seven. Yeah. Yeah. How has it kinda changed and evolved and even how you've used it over the course of the last or even the sun really will know? We got it. The last, like, six, eight Eighteen eighteen years, nineteen years? Yeah. It's been a well, since PowerShell version two and three four came out and since version five, which is, like, basically included in every Windows version now Yep. It has evolved from just being there for Windows to also being that's PowerShell six core to a multi platform thing. And that's the thing that I really like about Microsoft, not tiny bit of Microsoft advocates here, but, the the whole cross platform thing. You can run it on Linux, you can run it on macOS, you can run it on Windows. Yep. Make make stuff so much easier. It's it's platform independent now. Yeah. What's that so I guess, do you run it on macOS? What do you use? Do you have you switched to macOS or you No. No. No. Still, I'm I'm a I'm a hardcore Windows user. Okay. Yeah. But I used it on Linux, even on my Raspberry Pi at home, for example. You can use it on everything. Yep. Yeah. It was it was fun. Like, I got excited about that too because I've been a Mac guy for years, and if you've listened to the podcast, you know I've kind of You tried to use it to Windows and, like, oh, man. But it is nice to see it and have that ability to use it across all of them. Yeah. You only have to learn it once, and you can reapply it on multiple OS. Exactly. Or even in the cloud, like, you can go to run it in Cloud Shell now, which I think, technically, I think Cloud Shell runs a lot on a Linux back ground. It's like a Linux container that's being started. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're writing PowerShell in the cloud, you're actually using Linux. Yeah. It runs on Linux. Yeah. Like like most of the things in Azure. It does. Yeah. So what are ways you use PowerShell? Like, as you, again, started using a cross platform, day to day work, what are some of those ways that you found that that you really enjoy it, that save you a bunch of time? Mostly the automation part of the the whole use management thing, but also for the migrations that I do, mostly for, like, exchange line migrations. I just script all the best creation stuff out so that I don't need to, like, manually CSV everything or I can be so much more productive and faster in creating stuff than using their normal click ups kind of way. Yeah. Yeah. So you said Exchange migrations? Yep. Also. That's one. What other one? Exchange? A lot of Microsoft three sixty five or even outside of Microsoft three sixty five? Microsoft Graph interfaces for creating stuff in Intune, configuration profiles, platform scripts, those kind of things. Yep. Okay. Do you have a favorite? Like, if do you have a library of all these scripts that you've written that you have? I have my own GitHub repository, and I have the one that I use to provide. One? Do you keep it private so we can't, like, go and get it? Yes. And we also have a company one. Yep. That's really customer related stuff in there. Right. Well, a lot of it's, like, almost intellectual property. Right? Like Yeah. As a company, because I've done the same thing. I'm always on that fence of especially as an MVP. Yeah. Do I create a bunch of scripts that I share externally? Do I try to keep some of them internal? And Yeah. I like sharing with the community, and the community, also shares a lot of stuff with me. So you'll benefit from that, but you can't share every line of code. Yeah. Especially when you really invest hours in customers' time. Yes. So it can't. Right. You can't, like, get paid to write a script for a customer and then just be, oh, here. Here it's it now. Yeah. No. Do you have a favorite like, if you think through your repositories and all the scripts you've written, did you ever write one that you're, like, you were just so proud of? You're like, oh, the script is amazing. This is the best script I've ever written. Or I I think the one that I used for Windows Sandbox, if you know the the the the Windows feature that you can actually run like a disposable Windows VM on Windows, Windows Sandbox. I have not played with that. You can put that on your back wall. I'm a Mac OS. Go on my list. Yeah. You can tell you listened to the package. You're like, just add it to your list. You never do. Yeah. 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Running the script actually starts up the Windows Sandbox installs feature. If it's not already installed, it pushes out the the agent to it. It tries to determine what IP address it has, and it connects official code with using SSH. The whole step step step step. Yeah. Yes. Yep. Alright. Very cool. And any other types of automation that Hyper V management for my lab environment. Yes. Okay. Completely Windows updating all my Windows VMs because it's been a hassle to update, like, 20 VMs, keep them up to date, so I automate them. Yep. That that's why you gotta use Azure. What about those Azure VMs and spinning those up? Yeah. But those cost a lot more than what I have on my laptop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I run a lot of stuff on my laptop just because, oh, I do have my MPM, my partnership, official studio, like, 150 a month. Yep. But that's usually not enough. It goes back. Yeah. Yeah. You you run through that money in a hurry. Yeah. What are their lessons learned? Like as you've gone through and worked with PowerShell over the years as you've learned about it, if other people are wanting to get started with PowerShell or like you'd be like, you know what, you wanna start learning it, here's a tip or a trick, here's something that I was struggling with. Like how would you guide people? I used to be Yeah. I mean I would've can't hope a lot of people use PowerShell, but every bit there's always people that are new to it, right? Yeah. If you're, like, really new to it, Microsoft Learn has, like, a a complete course. I think it's AAC 40 c something. Okay. You can you can you can find it on Microsoft Learn. This has, like, a really step by step first introduction to PowerShell. And if you're feeling comfortable with that, then you can start writing your scripts. But the things that I did in the past, like hard coding stuff, not making things, like, reusable, that's the thing that you learn just by practicing more. It's not something you develop, like, straight away. Yeah. Writing writing functions, which kind of brings into The next time We talked about this even getting into PowerShell, like, developers. Scott and I always joke about making fun of developers, and we're not developers. But then you write PowerShell, and even some of the conferences and stuff put PowerShell under a development track. What are your thoughts? Scripting, coding, development? How do you I don't see myself as a developer. No. I'm I'm not like a c sharp developer. I'm a I'm a scripter. That's I think that's the correct term for it. I I I use a framework which is already there to my benefit, but I'm not really a programmer. I can't build this from scratch. Okay. No. But you still can go write functions. Right? Do you still need, like, mini programming? Maybe. No. No. But but functions are good. Reusable functions, creating modules. Yep. Yep. I have not done much with creating modules. Have you created a bunch of different modules too? Like I'm I'm I'm working on that because that's a skill that I don't master at at this moment because writing separate scripts and functions is a lot easier than Right. Publishing a mobile module to the PowerShell gallery, that's a thing that I still want to do, but that's something something's holding me back. And perhaps it's scary because more people will see your codes and Uh-huh. Will probably comment on that. Yep. Do you have a module you wanna publish, like, in the back of your mind? You don't have to share which one, but are you like, I wanna create a module to do this? I wrote two or three scripts for Active Directory permissions reporting stuff, which is really easy for the auditing stuff that I also do for customers. Okay. Finding a module for that would be great because it's so much easier to download, install, and use that in a customer's environment in a in a way that you should actually do that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Very cool. Any other tips or tricks as you think about PowerShell, different I know you talked about there's another vendor that you've done some podcasts for script script runner, I think. Are there other tools that you've used like script runner? I know I am always in Versus Code when I'm writing PowerShell, but any other tools that you've used that you really like when you're writing some of those scripts? ScriptRunner is more like a platform, but for for tool wise things. Yeah. That when I see people starting IEC again, and I've had I always tell them, no. Yes. No. Why? Why? Please use Versus Code because it's it's so much better. And it can do version five and version seven. The IEC only does five. So Yeah. You're you're really limiting yourself. But Fisco is great. PowerShell development is is really great. Yeah. I keep waiting for Microsoft to, like, forcefully remove ISE from all these different Windows versions or because it's still is it it's still in Windows is it in Windows 11? I haven't even looked. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's it's still there. If you use things like out grid view, which, like, kind of shows, like, a Windows pane of the things that you selected, it's it's a user's IC. So if you remove that, you also remove that capability from your strips. Yeah. So you have to be aware of that. Technical debt that Microsoft has incurred with some of this stuff. Yeah. It's the most people ask the most questions about why isn't PowerShell seven included in Windows by default. And that's the whole Windows shipping, the amount of work you have to put into it, the dot net framework, dependencies of that. So yeah. Yeah. Maybe we'll see that in future. Maybe I know. I haven't ran into that with as I've been playing more in Windows again and switching some of mine, like, you open up the terminal and I'm like, oh, yeah. PowerShell seven isn't here. I need to go install it, and then I need to switch my terminal to default to PowerShell seven instead of PowerShell five. Yeah. And the the most things that you do probably even still work in five. They do. It's surprising. And I every once in a while, I still actually do run into stuff that doesn't work yet in seven. Okay. I think some of the dependent some of the stuff in core maybe isn't fully there yet. There's some stuff again, being a SharePoint guy, I ran into this, and this was part of my motivation for switching back to Windows is, well, it works on macOS. There are certain modules that rely on certain DLLs or certain Yeah. The whole SharePoint yeah. Right. Certain underlying files that just aren't there on macOS and just they don't work there. Yeah. So that's why you need and using, like, a Windows VM on your Mac kinda yeah. It runs better on a native, Windows laptop. Yeah. It it does. As much as I do miss my Mac, there are certain things as I've scripted that Yeah. They do still just work better on Windows. Yep. So what other stuff with cloud? I know we talked about you do some Intune stuff. When it comes to PowerShell, you talked about some of the stuff with AD, with Hyper V. How have you used PowerShell as it relates to some of the cloud stuff, to Microsoft three sixty five, Intune, Entra? The whole Microsoft Graph thing. Yeah. Yeah. Besides as Graph, it's still somewhat hard to learn and it's there are a lot of commandlets in it. You really need to know to how to navigate through that. But using Microsoft Graph to automate all the intra creation of users, mailboxes, or things that you can do in Intune using Microsoft Graph, getting I use this for reporting a lot. Okay. Yeah. The customers will want reliable reports. They wanna have good overviews and I yeah. There's no way around it. You have to script. Right. Yep. Yeah. Pull it all out. And so once you pull it out, you write your PowerShell script, go pull it all from the graph. Do you tend to just pull it from the graph and export it to a CSV or Excel to do reporting? Or how do you Most customers still like receiving stuff in Excel files. So CSV, okay. But there's an import Excel module from Darkthink that will you can write to Excel straight away or read from Excel if needed. It's it's easier for Yes. Yeah. So is that what you do? Do you export to Excel? You might be more efficient than that. I always I like the import and export to CSV. Yep. So then I just do it to CSV, and then I open it up in Excel and save it as Excel for them. Yeah. And then you do the automation parts yourself being a click off. Yeah. Yeah. But you can export it straight away to Excel. It makes it a lot easier for the managers to receive their reports. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Do you ever build visuals for them too or do you just as a primarily, here's the data. Yeah. Here's the data. Yeah. What visuals do you want? No. I'm I'm I'm not the creative visualizer guy for the for the ultimate reports. No. No. It's it's part of the data. Got it. So what else is Intune? And I'm curious, like, you're a PowerShell MVP, but even talking to Scott when he met you, he's like, hey Ben, you're gonna go talk to Harm. He's PowerShell and Intune. And I'm like, PowerShell and Intune. That's a that's a unique combination of a little specialties. Like usually you're like PowerShell and Windows. One or the other. Yeah. Right. Or even like PowerShell and Microsoft three sixty five, but it's, like, PowerShell and Intune. So how did you kinda get into the Intune spot and stuff, and what do you do with Intune? For our customers, we do Intune things to for the Windows devices, obviously. Okay. And all the packaging detection script, platform scripts, remediation scripts, for example. Yeah. So have you written quite a few remediation scripts then too? Yep. Yep. Because we have to have, like, an e three license for it. So that's the downside of it. So it's not for every customer. Yeah. But remediation is so powerful. Yeah. Being able to hourly during the day or once a day check for it's like a desired state thing you can do if remediation's good. Yep. Yeah. What are definitely powerful do you ever get frustrated that they only run once a day? Yeah. But you you you can let them rerun for every hour Okay. Based on group. So you assign a group and say every hour, every two hours, every three hours, once a day, once a week, once Once ever, run those remediation. What's a Is there a common one, like a certain remediation script that Maybe it's This is right independent. Like, there's a shortcoming in Intune, whether it's installing a certain software or a certain setting that isn't in Intune that you always wanna set. Is there a common remediation script that you've written for Intune that you use a lot that Time zone settings for international customers is one of those. If you have, like, a customer who's in different regions Mhmm. How would you determine what time zone they're in and what the best time zone would be for them. But I automated that in remediation script. So it detects what's my public IP address, what reason is it, what time zone should I have, and it just configures your time zone. And if you move from one time zone to another, it will do that too. Got it. Wow. That's pretty cool. Yep. Is that one available publicly? Yeah. It's on my blog. That one's on your blog? Yeah. Okay. So it will definitely include, like, I'll go get links to your blog too and include links to your blog. So if people wanna go see which scripts you've shared publicly, they can go see that. But also the Intune besides remediation scripts, so you just kind of fell in is that how you kinda get into Intune? Was you were writing scripts and Writing scripts for them. You needed to push them out somewhere? But also as a as a platform because I like controlling Windows devices and that well, it's the is the software for that, of course. And for the whole Intune packaging, deploying settings, it's more powerful using PowerShell scripts for it than the things that you sometimes see in the settings catalog. Yeah. Yep. So this is something I played with. I can't remember why I was doing this. One point in time, I'm curious if you ever tried this, I actually packaged up a PowerShell script Mhmm. As, A Win 32 app? In in yeah. An Intune a Win 32, I was trying to think of. Yeah. I was like A Zoom Win app. Essentially, it's an Intune Win app to push it out that way versus a remediation script. Yeah. That's that's that's the four man's remediation script, I guess. If you don't have a free license, like, this is premium, you can use that. Yeah. It it it also works. You can let let it redetect the whole time and just reinstall the software or the script. Right. Yep. It does work. Yep. It's it was an interesting workaround for something I was trying, and I can't remember if it was a licensing thing or what. But that's one thing, like, those Win 32 apps, it's they're not just go install an executable or an MSI, but, really, you can go in and put whatever files you want to in there Yeah. And say, to run the install for this particular Win 32 app, it's a dot p s one file or a dot or a batch file or all kinds of different things. If your detection is good, and it can be the same, like a remediation script, you can even use applicability scripts on it. Okay. Additional requirement scripts so that it will only fire to certain device in a certain state, etcetera. Yeah. There's a lot of powerful stuff that you can do again that I don't think is always readily available. But if you get in and try to hack around with some of the stuff, there's also encounter the situation that you actually need it for. But yeah. Yeah. So what else with Intune? Do you have any other favorite Intune features, things you like to do with Intune? Well, the things from Intune Suite, and I know that IntuneSuite is an additional license yet again, $10.12 dollars, I don't know, per user per month, I guess. It yeah. If I had one okay. If I had not one piece of complaint. But, yeah, all the stuff, it just keeps adding up. But in two suite yes. In engine suite, using the cloud PKI for for example, it's so much easier for kinda radius like Wi Fi authentication, for example. You can use it for that as well. Yep. Yeah. That is These nice add ons. Yep. I haven't started playing with that yet. Another thing from my list. Oh, Harmar, give me more stuff for my list. No. I actually have one of the contractors that does some work for me, he's started playing with that a little bit. Yeah. But it's like, why does Again, I feel like that's a fairly common function. The PKI being able to use that for Or the remote health. Like why do we have to pay an extra $10 a month for that one? Maybe remote health I can see because Yeah. That's if you're not doing that, you're going and paying another third party for some of the remote. Well, important. Privilege management, the kind of privilege identity management for starting certain executables. Yep. I can see a lot of value in that, but it's worth the top I don't know. Yeah. Or either. But there is have you played with the global secure access in Yeah. The Yep. The Yep. Well, technically, that's not even an Intune suite, is it? That's another add on. Yeah. That's that's an intro add on, I guess. Yes. That one is. That's right. That one's an intro add on, not Intune suite. Bundles and add ons and licenses. Every way. It's time for that p what do we or an e, what do we need next? An e seven An e seven or an e three Yeah. Entra license. Yes. Oh, very cool. Anything else? Let me talk PowerShell, MVP, Intune, anything you're anything that you're allowed to talk about that you're excited to To see this week or Not to see this week. We're not gonna talk about anything this week. I'm trying to think because it all jumbles up in our heads, right, of what's been announced. But anything this year that's public knowledge that you're Really looking forward to. Looking forward to, if it's not all jumbled up in your head. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm not sure if there's something that I'm really, really looking forward to because I'm already using most of the stuff that's being there. Got it. Anything with Copilot? Okay. Anything with AI or anything with AI that you'd like to see in this year as it relates to Intel? I'm actually one of the IT admins who doesn't use AI at all Okay. I guess. And that's becoming, like, rare, I guess. I can see it using being used for my documents, for the reporting stuff that I have to do, like, rewrite this whole chapter for me. Yeah. Yes. But using AI for a PowerShell script, for example, no. But that's not something that I use it for. So you don't do you don't even use any of the, like, the GitHub Copilot stuff yet or anything like that? For it. No. But I'm impressed. I will say I am impressed. I've I've started using it. It It's it's a good starter kit. Yeah. But I like to write my write and learn at the same time. Yep. Yeah. Awesome. Very cool. Well, anything else if people wanna get a hold of you, obviously, we'll put a link to your blog in the show notes. Yep. Social media On every platform, I think. Every platform? Yeah. Alright. Well, I'll get all the links from you for that. We'll put them all in the show notes so people wanna connect with you and reach out. Anything else you wanna tell everybody? Last wise words that I wise words you got, your your words of wisdom. Start scripting, not not yesterday, but just today. Yeah. Just Just start writing. Alright. Well, thanks, Arman. Appreciate you sitting there. Thanks for having me. Chad, not a problem. Again, it's fun just sitting here meeting people, being able to do podcast interviews. So Yep. Enjoy the rest of the MVP summit. I'm sure we'll see you around, and thanks again. Appreciate the chat. Thanks. If you enjoyed the podcast, go leave us a five star rating in iTunes. It helps to get the word out so more IT pros can learn about Office three sixty five and Azure. If you have any questions you want us to address on the show or feedback about the show, feel free to reach out via our website, Twitter, or Facebook. Thanks again for listening, and have a great day.